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c - Is there a document describing how Clang handles excess floating-point precision?

It is nearly impossible(*) to provide strict IEEE 754 semantics at reasonable cost when the only floating-point instructions one is allowed to used are the 387 ones. It is particularly hard when one wishes to keep the FPU working on the full 64-bit significand so that the long double type is available for extended precision. The usual “solution” is to do intermediate computations at the only available precision, and to convert to the lower precision at more or less well-defined occasions.

Recent versions of GCC handle excess precision in intermediate computations according to the interpretation laid out by Joseph S. Myers in a 2008 post to the GCC mailing list. This description makes a program compiled with gcc -std=c99 -mno-sse2 -mfpmath=387 completely predictable, to the last bit, as far as I understand. And if by chance it doesn't, it is a bug and it will be fixed: Joseph S. Myers' stated intention in his post is to make it predictable.

Is it documented how Clang handles excess precision (say when the option -mno-sse2 is used), and where?

(*) EDIT: this is an exaggeration. It is slightly annoying but not that difficult to emulate binary64 when one is allowed to configure the x87 FPU to use a 53-bit significand.


Following a comment by R.. below, here is the log of a short interaction of mine with the most recent version of Clang I have :

Hexa:~ $ clang -v
Apple clang version 4.1 (tags/Apple/clang-421.11.66) (based on LLVM 3.1svn)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0
Thread model: posix
Hexa:~ $ cat fem.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
#include <float.h>
#include <fenv.h>

double x;
double y = 2.0;
double z = 1.0;

int main(){
  x = y + z;
  printf("%d
", (int) FLT_EVAL_METHOD);
}
Hexa:~ $ clang -std=c99 -mno-sse2 fem.c
Hexa:~ $ ./a.out 
0
Hexa:~ $ clang -std=c99 -mno-sse2 -S fem.c
Hexa:~ $ cat fem.s 
…
    movl    $0, %esi
    fldl    _y(%rip)
    fldl    _z(%rip)
    faddp   %st(1)
    movq    _x@GOTPCREL(%rip), %rax
    fstpl   (%rax)
…
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This does not answer the originally posed question, but if you are a programmer working with similar issues, this answer might help you.

I really don't see where the perceived difficulty is. Providing strict IEEE-754 binary64 semantics while being limited to 80387 floating-point math, and retaining 80-bit long double computation, seems to follow well-specified C99 casting rules with both GCC-4.6.3 and clang-3.0 (based on LLVM 3.0).

Edited to add: Yet, Pascal Cuoq is correct: neither gcc-4.6.3 or clang-llvm-3.0 actually enforce those rules correctly for '387 floating-point math. Given the proper compiler options, the rules are correctly applied to expressions evaluated at compile time, but not for run-time expressions. There are workarounds, listed after the break below.

I do molecular dynamics simulation code, and am very familiar with the repeatability/predictability requirements and also with the desire to retain maximum precision available when possible, so I do claim I know what I am talking about here. This answer should show that the tools exist and are simple to use; the problems arise from not being aware of or not using those tools.

(A preferred example I like, is the Kahan summation algorithm. With C99 and proper casting (adding casts to e.g. Wikipedia example code), no tricks or extra temporary variables are needed at all. The implementation works regardless of compiler optimization level, including at -O3 and -Ofast.)

C99 explicitly states (in e.g. 5.4.2.2) that casting and assignment both remove all extra range and precision. This means that you can use long double arithmetic by defining your temporary variables used during computation as long double, also casting your input variables to that type; whenever a IEEE-754 binary64 is needed, just cast to a double.

On '387, the cast generates an assignment and a load on both the above compilers; this does correctly round the 80-bit value to IEEE-754 binary64. This cost is very reasonable in my opinion. The exact time taken depends on the architecture and surrounding code; usually it is and can be interleaved with other code to bring the cost down to neglible levels. When MMX, SSE or AVX are available, their registers are separate from the 80-bit 80387 registers, and the cast usually is done by moving the value to the MMX/SSE/AVX register.

(I prefer production code to use a specific floating-point type, say tempdouble or such, for temporary variables, so that it can be defined to either double or long double depending on architecture and speed/precision tradeoffs desired.)

In a nutshell:

Don't assume (expression) is of double precision just because all the variables and literal constants are. Write it as (double)(expression) if you want the result at double precision.

This applies to compound expressions, too, and may sometimes lead to unwieldy expressions with many levels of casts.

If you have expr1 and expr2 that you wish to compute at 80-bit precision, but also need the product of each rounded to 64-bit first, use

long double  expr1;
long double  expr2;
double       product = (double)(expr1) * (double)(expr2);

Note, product is computed as a product of two 64-bit values; not computed at 80-bit precision, then rounded down. Calculating the product at 80-bit precision, then rounding down, would be

double       other = expr1 * expr2;

or, adding descriptive casts that tell you exactly what is happening,

double       other = (double)((long double)(expr1) * (long double)(expr2));

It should be obvious that product and other often differ.

The C99 casting rules are just another tool you must learn to wield, if you do work with mixed 32-bit/64-bit/80-bit/128-bit floating point values. Really, you encounter the exact same issues if you mix binary32 and binary64 floats (float and double on most architectures)!

Perhaps rewriting Pascal Cuoq's exploration code, to correctly apply casting rules, makes this clearer?

#include <stdio.h>

#define TEST(eq) printf("%-56s%s
", "" # eq ":", (eq) ? "true" : "false")

int main(void)
{
    double d = 1.0 / 10.0;
    long double ld = 1.0L / 10.0L;

    printf("sizeof (double) = %d
", (int)sizeof (double));
    printf("sizeof (long double) == %d
", (int)sizeof (long double));

    printf("
Expect true:
");
    TEST(d == (double)(0.1));
    TEST(ld == (long double)(0.1L));
    TEST(d == (double)(1.0 / 10.0));
    TEST(ld == (long double)(1.0L / 10.0L));
    TEST(d == (double)(ld));
    TEST((double)(1.0L/10.0L) == (double)(0.1));
    TEST((long double)(1.0L/10.0L) == (long double)(0.1L));

    printf("
Expect false:
");
    TEST(d == ld);
    TEST((long double)(d) == ld);
    TEST(d == 0.1L);
    TEST(ld == 0.1);
    TEST(d == (long double)(1.0L / 10.0L));
    TEST(ld == (double)(1.0L / 10.0));

    return 0;
}

The output, with both GCC and clang, is

sizeof (double) = 8
sizeof (long double) == 12

Expect true:
d == (double)(0.1):                                     true
ld == (long double)(0.1L):                              true
d == (double)(1.0 / 10.0):                              true
ld == (long double)(1.0L / 10.0L):                      true
d == (double)(ld):                                      true
(double)(1.0L/10.0L) == (double)(0.1):                  true
(long double)(1.0L/10.0L) == (long double)(0.1L):       true

Expect false:
d == ld:                                                false
(long double)(d) == ld:                                 false
d == 0.1L:                                              false
ld == 0.1:                                              false
d == (long double)(1.0L / 10.0L):                       false
ld == (double)(1.0L / 10.0):                            false

except that recent versions of GCC promote the right hand side of ld == 0.1 to long double first (i.e. to ld == 0.1L), yielding true, and that with SSE/AVX, long double is 128-bit.

For the pure '387 tests, I used

gcc -W -Wall -m32 -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse ... test.c -o test
clang -W -Wall -m32 -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse ... test.c -o test

with various optimization flag combinations as ..., including -fomit-frame-pointer, -O0, -O1, -O2, -O3, and -Os.

Using any other flags or C99 compilers should lead to the same results, except for long double size (and ld == 1.0 for current GCC versions). If you encounter any differences, I'd be very grateful to hear about them; I may need to warn my users of such compilers (compiler versions). Note that Microsoft does not support C99, so they are completely uninteresting to me.


Pascal Cuoq does bring up an interesting problem in the comment chain below, which I didn't immediately recognize.

When evaluating an expression, both GCC and clang with -mfpmath=387 specify that all expressions are evaluated using 80-bit precision. This leads to for example

7491907632491941888 = 0x1.9fe2693112e14p+62 = 110011111111000100110100100110001000100101110000101000000000000
5698883734965350400 = 0x1.3c5a02407b71cp+62 = 100111100010110100000001001000000011110110111000111000000000000

7491907632491941888 * 5698883734965350400 = 42695510550671093541385598890357555200 = 100000000111101101101100110001101000010100100001011110111111111111110011000111000001011101010101100011000000000000000000000000

yielding incorrect results, because that string of ones in the middle of the binary result is just at the difference between 53- and 64-bit mantissas (64 and 80-bit floating point numbers, respectively). So, while the expected result is

42695510550671088819251326462451515392 = 0x1.00f6d98d0a42fp+125 = 100000000111101101101100110001101000010100100001011110000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

the result obtained with just -std=c99 -m32 -mno-sse -mfpmath=387 is

42695510550671098263984292201741942784 = 0x1.00f6d98d0a43p+125 = 100000000111101101101100110001101000010100100001100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

In theory, you should be able to tell gcc and clang to enforce the correct C99 rounding rules by using options

-std=c99 -m32 -mno-sse -mfpmath=387 -ffloat-store -fexcess-precision=standard

However, this only affects expressions the compiler optimizes, and does not seem to fix the 387 handling at all. If you use e.g. clang -O1 -std=c99 -m32 -mno-sse -mfpmath=387 -ffloat-store -fexcess-precision=standard test.c -o test && ./test with test.c being Pascal Cuoq's example program, you will get the correct result per IEEE-754 rules -- but only because the compiler optimizes away the expression, not using the 387 at all.

Simply put, instead of computing

(double)d1 * (double)d2

both gcc and clang actually tell the '387 to compute

(double)((long double)d1 * (long double)d2)

This is indeed I believe this is a compiler bug affecting both gcc-4.6.3 and clang-llvm-3.0, and an easily reproduced one. (Pascal Cuoq points out that FLT_EVAL_METHOD=2 means operations on double-precision arguments is always done at extended precision, but I cannot see any sane reason -- aside from having to rewrite parts of libm on '387 -- to do that in C99 and considering IEEE-754 rules are achievable by the hardware! After all, the correct operation is easily achievable by the compiler, by modifying the '387 control word to match the precision of the expression. And, given the compiler options that should force this behaviour -- -std=c99 -ffloat-store -fexcess-precision=standard -- make no sense if FLT_EVAL_METHOD=2 behaviour is actually desired, there is no backwards compatibility issues, either.) It is important to note that given the proper compiler flags, expressions evaluated at compile time do get evaluated correctly, and that only expressions evaluated at run time get incorrect results.

The simplest workaround, and the portable one, is to use fesetround(FE_TOWARDZERO) (from fenv.h) to round all results towards zero.

In some cases, rounding towards zero may help with predictability and pathological cases. In particular, for intervals like x = [0,1), rounding towards zero means the upper limit is never reached through rounding; important if you evaluate e.g. piecewise splines.

For the other rounding modes, you need to control the 387 hardware directly.

You can use either __FPU_SETCW() from #include <fpu_control.h>, or open-code it. For example, precision.c:

#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>

#define FP387_NEAREST   0x0000
#define FP387_ZERO      0x0C00
#define FP387_UP        0x0800
#define FP387_DO

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